That Damned Closet

The Closet. It’s a crowded place, full of gays, atheists, Pagans, and anyone else the American Mainstream has a personal problem with.  We’re all in there together, but sometimes we have to come out, either on our own, or being dragged kicking and screaming into the open.  It’s a veritable Sword of Damocles over the heads of many of us, as getting outed can ruin family relationships, careers, or even life and limb.

I’d mentioned that I’d gotten outed as a “dirty heathen” to my fundie family in my last post, so I thought I’d share a little about my own experience with unexpectedly coming out.

A few weeks ago, my mother was in town to visit, something that used to be enjoyable, but hadn’t been since Phase 1 in the slow-motion train wreck of my coming out that started last Thanksgiving.  I’d had That Feeling (TM) that Phase 2 was about to begin, and I was right.  That night, she’d insisted on watching a disgusting piece of missionary propaganda babbling on about how wonderful it was that Jesus was coming to China at last, those poor unwashed lost souls.  (I’ve loved Chinese culture for a looong, time, so apparently my mother thought that a DVD glorifying the potential destruction of it would be something I’d enjoy.  Fundamentalist thinking, it’s unexplainable.)

Anyway, when I didn’t express exuberance for this trash, but rather sat stoically through it (and was probably not managing to fully hide my disgust), she decides to finally ask me point-blank if I was still a Christian.  (Her phrasing: “Have you thrown it all away?”)  After I try, vainly, to get her to understand how loaded and inflammatory her wording is, I tell her no, I’m not, opening the floodgates of three hours of Drama.  We go round and round about the Bible, how I don’t buy it any more after I actually started to research and scrutinize what I’d had hammered into my head since I was a kid, how Paul was a misogynistic asshole, and so on.  Pascal’s Wager, thinly-veiled hellfire threats, and half-suppressed tears all made an appearance at one point or another, pretty standard fare for this kind of a thing.

Eventually, we got to what it would take for me to believe, as I’d mentioned that I had never had an experience of the Christian god, despite having been a devout believer for over 20 years.  My mother has had numerous experiences she believes have had divine origin.  She asked why I couldn’t just accept her experiences in lieu of having my own, essentially.  I tried to explain to her that one person can never really know the transcendent experiences of another, as it didn’t happen to them — for the person who has the experience, it’s revelation, for the person who hears of it, it’s hearsay.

I eventually said that I did believe there was something numinous out there however, and that I’d finally had one of those experiences that you *know* is direct contact with something Divinely Other.  I asked her if she agreed that you can have these kinds of experiences that you KNOW are divine, and she eagerly agreed.  That’s when I began to describe what happened to me a couple of months ago.

It was the first time I decided to attempt autosacrifice.  This was a big step for me, since as I’d mentioned before, I was phobic of needles or anything related to intentional bloodletting. I had pierced my ear with my lancet and daubed up the drop of blood with some special paper I reserve for sacred use, then sat to meditate while the paper burned and my incense smoked.  As the fire died out, I began to feel like I was rising, and I had the only open-eyed, waking vision I’ve ever had in my life.  I could see a beautiful forested valley below me, matching the forested landscape of Mexico’s mountainous woodlands.  I felt like the mythically-portrayed Sun, hanging in midair over the world.  Then I became aware of Huitzilopochtli’s Presence and… Laozi and Zhuangzi were right, language is utterly inadequate for expressing the numinous.

The only way I can try to sum it up is that I touched the face of god.  It was like a whitewater torrent of pure vital LIFE, life that was almost fiercely joyful to be alive, welcoming all parts of living, even the pain and suffering and dying.  It was the truest personification of Nietzsche’s spirit that says “Yes!” to life, even in its deepest agony.  Brilliant life, radiating its vitality with wild joy upon all things below, and I was veritably immersed in it.  I found the most overwhelming sense of gratitude and love pouring out of me involuntarily as I observed my own thoughts in utter shock at the experience, so different from what I had expected (if anything — I half-doubted anything at all would happen).  A sense of welcome and proud approval from the god that I’d conquered my fear to offer blood, and a non-visual feeling of being surrounded by eagles and ocelots — the traditional symbols of the warriors of Mexico, many of who were destined to die in battle and were thought to go to the House of the Sun as a reward.  Then the vision faded, leaving me back in the normal world.

I told her the story, leaving out certain details — I didn’t mention the autosacrifice, and I didn’t reveal the god’s identity at the beginning.  If I had, she never would’ve listened to my story, and I was drawing her into something of a trap — I wanted her to agree with my experience as much as possible before I sprang the identity on her and made backpedaling difficult. (I *am* an attorney, this wasn’t really different from cross-examination…) Up until the very end, she listened with rapt attention, nodding to what I was saying, clearly ready to attribute it to her god and claim that I really had experienced Jesus/Yahweh after all.  And then I told her that this god had a different name, and I told her it was Huitzilopochtli.  She looked like she’d been sucker-punched as her hopes of a quick reconversion were shattered.  I felt kind of bad for her, but I knew the pain was something unavoidable and that this couldn’t be put off any longer.

Then came the very crap I expected of “Satan can masquerade as an angel of light,” “test the spirits,” “don’t be deceived,” etc, the shit that I had been predicting would be said in this very situation for months.  Amazingly,  she never quite said directly “your god is a demon,” which I was waiting for with a ready request that she not blaspheme.  The discussion ended shortly after that with her in tears and praying for her god to reveal himself to me, and a bizarre tangent about how there were supplies in her house in case the Rapture happened and what to do with her pets, then her handing me a copy of her house key.

Since then?  We haven’t discussed religion directly, but she’s continued to send me annoying bits of Christo-spam email.  I’m tired of it, as it comes off as a passive-aggressive attempt to proselytize by pointedly ignoring my different beliefs, so there will likely be a more blunt, comprehensive statement of my spirituality soon, combined with a request for her to show some respect.  Silence by those of us who are Pagans can amount to allowing ourselves to be victims of religious imperialism, and I’m fucking sick of it.  All the reasons I had before for keeping my silence with my family no longer apply, so I have no reason not to speak out.  I was unintentionally outed, so I might as well roll with it.

The moral of the story?  Keep your cool when this situation inevitably arises, no matter what.  If you get angry, you lose — it’s “the Devil tormenting you,” or else “the Holy Spirit convicting you of your sin.”  But they will certainly get emotional at you.  You *will* be misunderstood, and your religion will be attacked as Satanic if you’re dealing with a fundamentalist, so there will be extreme provocation that you can’t respond to.  It’s not fair, but it can’t helped.  They can’t usually be reasoned with, so don’t try.  I kept the conversation controlled and only touched on my problems with Christianity in the briefest fashion, and when it started to get ugly, I cut off that part of the discussion.  Under these circumstances, the best you can do is try to plant the tiniest seed of potential tolerance and common ground, and the rest is damage control, assuming you don’t plan on cutting your family out of your life.

Even then, no matter how hard you try, I can’t promise you good results.  This religious stupidity is slowly eating away at my relationship with the fundie half of my family like acid, and I know this Christmas will be a hell worse than the last one.  If I come across a solution, I’ll definitely share it with everyone.

So, to cap off this incredibly long post, if you’re a Pagan, be prepared.  You *will* come out of The Closet, one way or another, sooner or later.  If you’re ready for it, you stand a chance at minimizing the damage to your relationships, and maybe, if a miracle occurs, achieving understanding and tolerance.

To any Christians who have stumbled across this blog posting, what I’ve said may seem harsh, but try to put yourselves in my shoes for a moment and understand the kind of pain this intolerance is inflicting and the damage it’s doing to my family relationships.  I don’t ask you to change your beliefs, but I do ask you to respect ours and to be sensitive to the very real human cost that exclusivist theology has.  If you can’t do that, do not comment on this post, it won’t survive moderation.  I have zero tolerance for preaching or prejudice on my blog — it’s a haven, not a debate site.  If you want debates, go to the Internet Infidels forums, they’ll gladly oblige you.

~ by cehualli on June 3, 2008.

11 Responses to “That Damned Closet”

  1. Hey man, I hear you. Your experience is pretty common, and guess what? Even for other Christians. The problem with your mom is not so much Christianity (although her understanding is a major player) but rather fundamentalism. By that I mean, as a recent philosopher defined it, a way of believing as opposed to what you believe. You can have fundamentalist pagans, witches, atheiest, etc. I grew up fundamentalist, went through a phase of pretty much blowing off Christianity, and now have learned that my problem was with the cultural version and interpretation of Christianity, not the religion itself. And yeah, we have pretty much agreed to not talk about religion. What makes that even funnier (or sad) is that I am a music director for a “liberal” church.

  2. Hi Brian,

    Thanks for your comment and understanding towards someone who’s of a different faith tradition, things like this give me a little hope that the intolerance *can* eventually be eliminated.

    And thank you for sharing your own experience of intolerance, you have my heartfelt sympathy for what you’re going through with your own family. I wish more liberal Christians would organize and speak out against the deafeningly-loud fundamentalists in this country — you guys are just as much “of the Devil” as people like me, to the bigots! Hell, in some way, more so, as I’ve heard liberal Christians get tarred as “evil apostate false teachers, wolf in sheep’s clothing, etc.” a nauseating number of times. Ugh. I can only imagine how sick *you* are of being called slurs like that! It’s sad that things like this can happen, especially where someone’s job is tied to religion — my partner’s a UU who’s working on his Masters of Divinity, and ever since he came out about being a UU, my family ignores anything touching on his religion… even though it’s a huge chunk of his life.

    I’m familiar with the definition of fundamentalism you’re referring to, and yeah, it can and does show up elsewhere. I can think of a fundie Asatruar’s blog I’ve seen, and I’ve had the displeasure of dealing with fundamentalist Buddhists in large numbers over on a certain major Buddhist forum out there.

    I’m with you about 90% of the way that it’s the fundamentalist mindset that’s the problem. I have to reserve about 10%, though, for some of the material that’s in the canonical texts generally accepted as scripture by most Christians. There’s unfortunately some stuff in there that’s like catnip to fundamentalists, attracting them and giving them ammo with which to built their grotesque versions of Christianity. If it wasn’t there, they’d have a harder time doing their thing.

    I don’t consider this “10% problem” as something unique to Christianity, though, it seems there’s seeds of potential hate scattered about in every religious tradition. It seems to be human nature to sneak in crap about how “we’re right, and everyone who doesn’t agree is wrong… and should be changed… actually, *must* be changed… damn, they’re really bad people, actually, if they don’t change, we must MAKE them change…” Tribalism, in its worst form.

    I do think that the problem can be overcome though, by applying more flexible methods of interpretation and honestly identifying these problematic bits of text or tradition, no matter what religion we’re dealing with. I wish anyone well in this endeavor!

    Well, that’s enough of my rambling for the moment, I suppose. Thanks again for your thoughtful comment, Brian, and I wish you well in dealing with the fundamentalists in your own life.

    -Best,
    Cehualli

  3. I’m a Pagan who still retains belief in the teachings of Christ (some reject the idea of the term ChristoPagan, but whatever) I see no problem with the teachings of Christ, it’s what’s been done with them in organized religion that’s the problem. For this reason, I reject the term “Christian”, because in our modern world this means that you totally subscribe to some dogma that has been built around Christ’s essentially simple teachings…teachings that I find don’t condemn Paganism’s teachings, but actually embrace it in many ways.

    I am 39 years old, married to a Christian who has more traditional beliefs, with three children and I still will not talk much about my beliefs to my mother and father or grandparents. Both my mother and father tend towards the fundamentalist beliefs, and I am pretty sure it would damage my relationships with both of them if they heard me talking about my “Pagan-ways”. I see no reason to express my beliefs to them, aside from the odd comment from time to time that makes them give me the hairy eyeball stare. My spirituality is my own, and it must remain private because of how it might affect my husband and my children in their lives, and I don’t want to be preached to by my mother or father (they are divorced, by the way, so that’s why I talk about them separately)

    One day, my mother may wander up into my private art room and discover I have a bookshelf of alternative spirituality books. I’d rather she didn’t, and if it happens I will just tell her I am interested in many religions and I study them all. She won’t like the ones that have “witch” in their title, but I can’t help that. But there is no way I am going to bring up this discussion. My father is the only one that wants to know why I don’t get myself into church and why I’m not reading The Word everyday, but he doesn’t bring it up often. Mom doesn’t attend church, so she avoids the conversation because I could just as easily ask her why she’s not in the pew.

    I don’t think being outed is inevitable, but I certainly wish I could be open and joyous about my beliefs as Christians are. I teach my daughters about my beliefs, and I think my oldest daughter is interested in magic.

    Thank you for your story, and I’m sorry it’s been so hard for you.

    Raincrow

    Anyway, I remain completely

  4. I try to tell my family that I am a Aztec recon and not a Xtain. They still think I am, despite me giving them tours of my room and altars.

    I debated with my aunt about it. And the bible shit, bringing up all the polytheistic influences of early Hebrew worship, and instances in the bible about it that confer to the archeology of the Middle east. She claimed I sounded like i knew it all, which I never said. That I know nothing because I’m not a scholar, but the scholars are wrong, so basically science proves nothing. And how people in India worship something w/ eight arms, which made her sound ignorant. (Pissed me off, because I love Hinduism and she had no fucking idea what she was talking about.) I got told this by someone who has never picked up any books or sources that I have read, telling me that the scholars are wrong, archeology is wrong, sciences and textual evidence, including in the bible is wrong, and I don’t know what I’m talking about because I am not a scholar. Yet she refuses to check these sources herself and shes a teacher!

    >Since then? We haven’t discussed religion directly, but she’s continued to send me annoying bits of Christo-spam email.

    I feel your pain. My mother is insane into Xtainity. She spams me about everyday with that Xtain email shit. I have kindly told her to stop sending me thing because I’m not a Xtain and she refuses, ignoring me. I’m probaly considerably younger than yourself (no ofenese) back when I live at home, she tried to make me repeat passages in the bible everyday and she read it to me. When I came out as a pagan when I was Wiccan at 16 or 17, I asked her not to rea the bible and etc to me because I’m not one. Just like your family, she refuses to respect my religion. She still refuses and ignores it to this day. She believes I will come back to god someday. Well like you, I have no experiences with Jesus. I had some with God, who I believe to be Yahweh, not Jesus Christ. I belong to Tlaloc, however, I know this.

  5. BTW can I re-post your post somewhere else? I think alot of pagans, even some non-recos, woul enjoy this.

  6. Raincrow & Xuchilpaba — Thank you very much for sharing your own “coming out” stories with me. I will write you both the detailed individual responses you deserve this weekend, as I’m too wiped out to do so right now.

    Xuchilpaba — Of course you can repost this article if you like:-) If you choose to do so, please just keep my author information and the CC License notice, and have a link back to the original so people can find me easier. And of course I would be very curious to know where it goes! You can shoot me an email at the address on the About Cehualli page if you want.

  7. Yeah I was gonna credit yeh. I was gonna post it first on paganspace.net.

  8. Here you go: http://www.paganspace.net/forum/topic/show?id=1342861%3ATopic%3A553990

  9. Xuchilpaba – Awesome, thanks! I checked out the discussion going on over there — I’m touched by the level of response it’s drawing. I may have to join in this weekend once I’m better rested. Right now, I’m about to face-plant on my keyboard, and I still have one last 12 hour day to go before it’s my “weekend.” Sleeeeep…

  10. Its really np. I figured alot of pagans could relate to your story. Even if they were’t recons..

  11. Was raised Catholic, although we were never really practicing, then converted to Born-Again Christianity about three years ago, but now I feel even more repressed because of all the fundamentalism. I haven’t been attending services for a while now, but don’t know how to sever ties with my church’s organization in my university. I’m still involved in the org activities, and wish I could go out of the closet without the fundie drama, but I don’t think they’ll let me go as easily as I hope they would – that is, if I gather enough courage to attempt it in the first place. Right now I just feel stuck.

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